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of standards and technology and the department of justice and we're going to have 30 people appointed to that starting soon. so some progress has been made but the real significance of dna, it's been a learning moment for the criminal justice system and we realize how riddled with error this system is in the first place. >> it feels like, if kirk didn't do it and was convicted on it, the problem isn't just missing dna test. it was all of these other pieces. i also heard you say the intractable problem of race. we can't talk about death penalty without talking about race. i want to make clear how important that particular al kem i is. it's not that african-american americans are more likely to get the death penalty. it has to do the victim and vic -- >> the victim in a murder, if they're white, you're for more likely to get capital punishment whether the defendant is black or white. that race effect has long been in place. there was a case that justice powell got off o the court and said he really made a bad decision in this mcincludes ki case. so many things would be different if he c
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